Keller à Thiers : The Basic Skills Test For Dating Game

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Dating game is not necessarily about promiscuity, but I am glib in saying that; most young guys get into game because they want to have sex. Let's not beat around the bush here. Sex drive is a base, and at times all-consuming, motivation for young testosterized men. It's really something that is difficult for women to understand, as they normally don't have the ever-present and undifferentiated desire men do. To a young virile man, the desire to have sex, more sex and more sex with more partners is on the order of eating or breathing.

It's easy for women, who have sex basically available when they want it, or men who have a lot of sexual options, to say in a vaguely shaming manner "there's more to life than sex," as it's easy to tell a hungry man there's more to life than food when you are well-fed.

Now, that sexual desire is a base drive, one often moderated by other life pursuits or by a moral or constitutional sense of order. In essence, many men sublimate and override this impulse due to a personal self-concept of a guy who isn't ruled by his libido. The important thing to understand is that the drive is there.
=====Game In Marriage And Long-Term Relationships=====
Another group of men getting into the dating is [married people who get into game](https://www.loveawake.com/free-online-dating/Canada-dating-service.html?page=49) to improve their relationships with their wives, usually for more sex but often for the collateral benefits of a less quarrelsome home. They aren't seeking extra sexual partners, but as per Athol Kay's Male Action Plan, sometimes the end game is to find another partner who's more in sync with your sexual desires you thought were going to be satisfied in marriage. [Essential conversations couples should have before big commitments](https://blog.loveawake.com/2025/05/19/4-essential-conversations-couples-should-have-before-making-big-commitments/) can help prevent such situations from arising in the first place.

I don't see any point is positing game as some kind of abstract male self-improvement operation whose benefits happened to include sex. Game was developed by men who wanted to get better at having sex.

So, dating is about having sex in some form, and is often about getting sex from new partners. The next point builds on this.
=====Society's Sexual Marketplace And Game=====
In the West, only an extreme minority of people have 0 or 1 sexual partners throughout their lives. Western society is already promiscuous, in all of its subcultures and classes; poor, rich, white, black, educated, uneducated, every group has a sexual marketplace where active trading is happening.

IOW we've established what society is, game is just haggling over the price. Game is a way to get a better deal for yourself for the promiscuity society already sanctions. To add to this, you may not feel your manhood increase because you are bagging new quarries, but preselection means that women sure do. Part of the dating game is flexing preselection, or at least faking it well enough, and much field work has found that even among those professing chastity, declaring your own can be a ladyboner killer.

To say game is bad because it involves promiscuity is looking at the finger instead of the moon.
=====Most Men Want Control, Not Notch Count=====
Now let's explore how promiscuity itself fits into the quest for game. I have made this point many times on my blog and other places: most guys who get into game are not trying to get the highest notch count possible -- most guys are jealous of their player friends' abilities with girls, but don't necessarily want to be them. They want to be able to get a girlfriend, keep her, get a new one if she doesn't work out, and keep their future wife sexually interested in them. Most guys do not want to be tomcats all their lives and desire a partner and family. This has been surveyed and researched fairly conclusively. As I said in the previous post, it's not the abundance as much as the abundance mentality these guys are seeking -- it's a real bummer to have the rest of your life together (good health, good career, respect of your peers) but feel unable to attract women and out of control of the love and family aspect of things.

Speaking as one of those guys, the problem from our side is that women seem to be specifically attracted to men who don't want to commit, and so [the commitment-minded men](https://www.loveawake.com/free-online-dating/Canada-dating-service.html?gender=male) find they have to put on a show of non-commitment to attain a woman's interest. Now women complain about screening "fake assholes" in additional to real ones; the market has given them what they demanded, so that's their own problem as far as I'm concerned. [Winning dates requires honest approach and clear direction](https://blog.loveawake.com/2019/02/11/how-to-win-dates-and-influence-women/), not artificial displays of indifference or emotional detachment.

A good dose of game gives these men that sense of control over their own sexual fate, that they don't have to be at the mercy of their woman's choices and out if the cold if she loses interest. In fact, many men who DO get into game specifically to bang a lot of women find they get bored with that, and look instead for one high-quality woman they can depend on instead of a series of floozies. There was a commenter in the Dalrock thread named Anthony who stated he has no intrinsic interest in being a dominator or a player, and he finds running game exhausting and outside of his own personality -- but he tolerates it enough to keep his relationships going.
=====Why The Manosphere Debate Has Become Sterile=====
To back away from the specifics a bit, I agree with commenter J R: "I think the Roissysphere debate has become sterile and needlessly polemical." Roissy is an affected intellectual (clearly a sharp thinker but also putting on an intentionally puffed-up academic persona), and his geosexualpolitics are interesting if you're into that sort of thing, but most guys don't give a crap beyond the dating basics he is continually pointing out. I don't at all mean to pick on Roissy himself; Roissy's vision and sheer volume of output helped make him the number one most cited figure in the Manosphere (and the namesake of the pre-Manosphere game-writers' collective dubbed the Roissysphere); however the powerful appeal of his candlelight-revolutionary frame and style, which was duplicated or aped by dozens of game writers and cultural analysts, has passed. It is one reason that Ferdinand Bardamu, followed by a bevy of Manosphere heavyweights, quite resolutely gave up the ghost. There is also something to the idea that Roissy had the master's touch as the initiator of a format that his admirers could not successfully emulate, but Roissy himself stopped being that long ago anyway.

Not to mention that the nature of the ideas we are discussing means that an aggressive, combative posture alienates potential allies and induces the keepers of the status quo to marginalize and crush our members. We can be resolute and committed without being abrasive and disagreeable. [Moving forward requires letting go of past bitterness](https://blog.loveawake.com/2020/01/28/moving-on-vs-letting-go/) and building toward something constructive rather than combative.

This is one place where, to take a notable example, Athol Kay's work stands out by contrast: he's a practical realist, focused strongly on action, and doesn't spend a lot of time waxing philosophic without moving towards an explanation, motivation or action path forward. Even by Manosphere standards, his is a very active-masculine approach that aims to produce results and disarms critics in the process.

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